A Conversation with Mac Gordon location manager for the CBS hit series, MacGyver.
Location Manager Mac Gordon’s Georgia roots are deep–and historic. A native of Savannah, he’s the great-nephew of Juliette Gordon Low, who founded the Girl Scouts of the USA in 1912. Low’s Savannah birthplace is a pilgrimage site for Girl Scouts of all ages. Growing up with a sense of place is a good trait for a future location manager. But Gordon didn’t start his career in locations: he spent about a decade doing video production in North Carolina, but
always hankered for Hollywood, so he left for California to study screenwriting at the prestigious American Film
After a year as a student and running out of money, he ran into a man he knew when he was a PA in Savannah, who was now producing TV movies in Hollywood. Gordon inquired about a job, and the man said he was looking for someone to pinch-hit for his location manager, whose wife was expecting. Gordon began his on-the-job training with the TV movie, Return to Green Acres. Although he tried to focus on writing for the next year, his friend kept calling him back with more job opportunities. Gordon’s 25-year career in location management was launched.
"It's not for people who need a lot of praise..."
“I thought it was pretty strange work,” he recalls. “I was used to sitting behind a computer alone, figuring out things. But at the time it was better to be working than not working. And at some profound level I found satisfaction in the job: knowing when I’d found the ‘right’ location and discovering, usually, the solutions to a million location problems out there.”
Gordon quickly recognized that this wasn’t a job for everyone, however. “It’s not for people who need a lot of praise,” he says. “Location managers get a lot of complaints. We rarely get patted on the back. Satisfaction has to come from knowing in your own mind when it’s a job well done.”
Over the years, Gordon has amassed a long list of credits, including the TV series The X-Files, CSI: Miami, Monk, The Unit, The Mentalist, Necessary Roughness, Containment, and some episodes of the new FOX show, Shots Fired. Recent feature work includes Ride Along 2 and The Hunger Games: Mockingjay, Part One, for which he handled second unit locations.
While Gordon was location manager for the series Detroit 1-8-7, his wife took a new job in Atlanta, and the family relocated to the city from California. “At the time, Necessary Roughness was gearing up in Atlanta, and I lucked into the first season with the help of a local manager I had just met,” Gordon recalls. He has continued to find jobs in Atlanta and North Carolina even after his wife’s job moved again to upstate New York, which the Gordons now call home.
“I was thrilled to come back to Georgia to work,” he says. “The change in the pace of production has been dramatic. There were a number of shows shooting here when I moved from LA, but today I can’t count how many there are. I used to know what other people in the business were doing in Georgia, but now I have no idea–there’s a tremendous amount of work going on.”
The Mullet Is Gone, But MacGyver Is Back
At press time Gordon was finishing season one of MacGyver, produced by CBS Television Studios and Lionsgate. This reimagining of the classic series about an unconventional problem solver finds Angus “Mac” MacGyver (played by Lucas Till, who grew up in Atlanta) applying his unique skillset to high-risk missions around the globe–from the show’s production base in Atlanta.
Gordon took over as the show’s location manager with episode seven, heading “two teams of seasoned locations people who run episodes alternately.” Those teams include two key assistants, two assistant location managers, two full-time location scouts, a few PAs and an office coordinator. “I work on all of the episodes but I’m rarely on the set; I’m mostly in meetings or in the van with the producer, director, production designer and cameraman,” he explains. “Because of my experience in the area I’ll get ideas for locations and send scouts to check areas that I think will work. Or they’ll find locations on their own–our scouts are locals and very knowledgeable. Then I’ll ask the production designer and the producer what they think of the choices.”
"Things move fast; there's not a lot of dilly-dally."
Gordon’s two decades in the business means his expertise in “how shows need to function” is invaluable. “We’re basically schedule-driven. We crank out a new episode every seven or eight days while spending three days figuring out the locations and tech scouting for the next one. Things move fast; there’s not a lot of dilly-dally. You want to plan a reasonable number of moves for the company on any given day. We pair locations to minimize travel time, and we’ll factor in things like rush hour traffic or particular routes. It’s my job to keep the show moving forward with a minimum of disasters.”
Each episode of MacGyver spends an average of five days on location, Gordon estimates. The balance is spent at the show’s home studio, Mailing Avenue StageWorks. Located two miles from downtown Atlanta, the studio hosts interior shoots for MacGyver and houses its major standing sets and swing sets that are too difficult to shoot practically.
Getting Atlanta and its environs to double for locations around the world can be a challenge. “There’s not a tremendous depth of different looks here,” says Gordon. “Los Angeles, with its mountains and beaches, has more
diversity in a 30-mile range. Atlanta is more consistent in its look. There are hills, beautiful forests and the city, of course, but it’s hard to play Afghanistan in Atlanta.”
MacGyver’s writers are mindful of that and have developed scripts that can be produced in Atlanta. “They don’t send us scripts for places that don’t exist here,” says Gordon. “No beaches, no Alpine vistas. We can do a lot of magic, but the more magic you need, the more it costs!”
Still, Gordon and his teams have found a bounty of locations to play the role of domestic and international locales. About an hour from their stages they found an isolated old barn and a horse farm. Just 20 miles west of Atlanta is the decommissioned Douglas County Jail, which has attracted several film and TV productions and which served as a Texas prison in MacGyver. An abandoned military administration office on an old US Army base doubled for the US
embassy in Latvia. “The hard part was finding a building we could ‘destroy,’” says Gordon. “There was an explosion out front, machine gun fire and chaos. Special effects installed lots of breakable windows.”
Nevertheless, the sequence required digital visual effects to help sell the embassy’s destruction. “Locations that are augmented or modified in CG are picked because they work for the scene,” Gordon explains. “We scout for the directors and the story as much as we can; when necessary VFX steps in and works with the camera department” to round out the locations with digital wizardry.
The lobby of a Georgia State University building in downtown Atlanta served as a spot under surveillance in Shanghai. The show’s art department dressed the street outside with bicycles, small cars, vans and Chinese signage to make the location more exotic.
"The hardest part was finding a building we could 'destroy...'"
The top of an Atlanta parking structure was the site of a helicopter rescue in Kazakhstan. The plot called for an urban environment, so Gordon’s team chose a parking structure with “interesting old and new buildings in the background,” he says. When the chopper was shot down in a wooded area, the production didn’t have to travel far from the stage for an appropriate location. “About 300 yards from the studio is reclaimed land sitting idle,” Gordon reports.
Recurring locations are MacGyver’s house–a real residence adjacent to Buckhead–and the Phoenix Foundation headquarters shown in an establishing shot. The latter is the stunningly modern Porsche Experience Center and North American headquarters in Atlanta, a structure that looks great setting the scene for Phoenix in the storyline. But since it’s “in the airport flight path, it’s too noisy to shoot dialogue there,” says Gordon.
The hardest location to find was a stand in for Amsterdam for an episode where a bomb exploded in a van parked in an old part of the Dutch town. “We don’t see a lot of Amsterdam in Atlanta,” says Gordon. “We found a plaza in Marietta that we thought might work. The art department was amazing and added a ton of the right accoutrements–signage, European-looking kiosks. And later VFX added canals. But that one was tough for all the departments.”
The most difficult locations to secure on a continuing basis are, ironically, part of every urban landscape. “We have a standing order for nice buildings with lobbies for walk-and-talk shots,” says Gordon. “Lobbies are hard to find during the work week. Buildings don’t want all the disruption that goes along with TV production, so we have an ongoing search for them. This is true everywhere–you’ll find the same challenge in LA.”
Gordon believes that studio backlot locations could be “enormously helpful” for a show like MacGyver: “A generic European street would be fantastic for us. Maybe a classic New York City street, too; you can get close to New York, but you can’t find that same look,” he says. A courtroom or a modern prison–locations that are impractical to access in the real world–would also come in handy.
Gordon finds that Atlanta is still welcoming to location teams despite the surge in production in recent years. “Atlanta isn’t saturated to the point where people are mad at us,” he reports. “Most people are excited by the idea of being in a TV show, and it helps to have a show with name recognition, like MacGyver. But it’s always amazing how often we’ll knock on doors and people will tell us they’ve already been scouted or filmed by some other production.”
"Atlanta businesses are thriving."
People also know the value of their properties these days. “Atlanta businesses are thriving,” says Gordon. “You’ll find restaurants hopping on a Tuesday night. If you want to buy them out for a location shoot the price has gone up considerably. They’ve figured out what the market will bear.”
In addition to MacGyver, Gordon’s most recent project in Atlanta was the pilot for Dynasty, The CW’s reboot of another audience favorite. Set “in Atlanta for Atlanta,” the pilot found Gordon and his team scouting ... what else? ... “epic mansions.” They settled on two: "one for the front view and interiors and another for the back view,” he says. Also in demand for the show were “fancy office space” and “high-end restaurants.”
An Infrastructure Boom But Room For Improvement
Given the amount of production in Georgia, and Atlanta in particular, there’s still “a ways to go” to make Gordon’s life as a location manager easier. “It’s one thing to bring us here and another to adapt to the needs of the industry,” he says. “It would be nice to see improvements from city permit offices and even the state film office.”
Gordon would like the permitting agencies to “better comprehend the demands of the TV side of the industry. TV moves so fast compared to features. Permitting is almost always in crisis mode since you need so much lead time to do anything remotely hard. Perhaps if local municipalities could look at best practices elsewhere to streamline the
process, things would be less frantic.” He’d also like to see Georgia “do a better job advocating for us with municipalities or other government agencies. If a state film officer was there to liaise with a city council or a utility or especially some recalcitrant state agency, that would really help location managers. As it is now, once you’re here, you’re on your own.”
Gordon does have kudos for the film office’s “camera-ready counties,” which have a local person there to help productions,” he explains. “If we say we’re looking for a solar farm and we understand there’s one in your county, they’ll say here’s the phone number. It’s very handy on a local level.” In terms of film-friendly towns, “Conyers
and Covington are two towns that have been especially savvy” about assisting productions, he reports.
Gordon also praises Georgia’s production infrastructure and talent base. “Studios have been springing up all over, and each one that’s built cements the infrastructure further,” he says. “Many designers, ADs and other below the line people have left LA, moved here and found it’s a good place to live.”
Perhaps the biggest infrastructure change for locations work has been the number and diversity of support services that are now available. “Layout board companies, tent people, cleaning services, security companies, dumpster suppliers–they’ve sprung up all around us,” Gordon reports. “I remember when there were no layout board companies, and now there are three or four. They came to Atlanta and have expanded. These are the kinds of jobs that bring money and livelihoods to Georgia.”
There’s no doubt that cell phones, laptops, tablets and digital cameras have facilitated communications with those in the field and have put location databases at Gordon’s fingertips. But the process of getting out there and finding locations, securing them and coordinating the moves of the TV or film company has remained much the same over Gordon’s career. It’s still a people business.
Still, with all the incredible growth in Georgia’s production business, finding a qualified local locations crew can be
difficult, according to Gordon. “I spend a fair amount of time training people. And it’s not the career path for everyone.” He hasn’t seen “a pipeline from film schools” to location management, although MacGyver did have a student intern on board for a while. “By and large it’s still a case of personal references: Somebody will suggest someone, they’ll come in, we’ll talk and I’ll give them a shot. Or not.”
So what are the qualities that make a successful location manager? “Patience, dedication, resourcefulness–and a good sense of direction never hurts,” Gordon laughs. “You have to think outside of the box. And you need to be incredibly diplomatic: We’re the gasket between the film/ TV world and the real world.”
A good location manager needs to read a script and get “a vision in your head” about the kind of locations that will serve the story while being practical in terms of travel, budget and schedule. “The greatest satisfaction comes in knowing that you’ve found the right location,” Gordon says. “A location that will look great on camera and advance the story but is shoot-able too. That’s what it’s all about.”
Gordon is a founding member of the Location Managers Guild of America, which was formed in 2003 “to increase our presence in and out of the industry and let people know how important our jobs are,” he says. LMGA was rebranded the Location Managers Guild International (LMGI) about a year ago after receiving requests for membership worldwide. “It’s an international business, and we should call it that,” he notes.
Gordon is quick to assert that, “a location manager is only as good as his team. The people I work with make things happen and solve complex problems every single day. I’m just the guy who sends them into battle, although I try very hard to always have their backs. “My hat is off to everyone with ‘assistant’ in their location department title,” he
declares. “They don’t get thanked a lot, they take a lot of crap and yet they persevere. They work miracles. That’s very admirable and proves to me every day what special people there are in our craft!”